Brenda Noon Schmidt: [00:00:00] I would feel a lot of relief. I would feel
relief in my home, I would feel rested and recharged. You get to hang with your kids by the pool after school instead of prepping dinner. Yeah, you get to go do fun stuff on Saturday instead of catching up on laundry. And so 10 hours. And so if it's $25 an hour, 250 bucks a week.
So what are you already spending two 50 bucks on to try and solve your problems? Like , for me, I would go to Target and I would go. Shop in all the Joanna Gaines organizational stuff. 'cause I'm like, my problem is I just need more cute baskets to store everything. Right? But no, the two $50 you're spending on shopping to try and calm your mind, you can actually give to a person who creates the system that's sustainable.
So you don't need to do that thing, to like escape your situation.
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Christina Kokologiannakis: Welcome, everybody. I am so excited. I have someone amazing on today who is gonna talk about a house manager and so much more. So I'm excited. Welcome Brenda Nun Schmidt. I'm so excited to have you here today. Why don't you go ahead and give a little intro so that our listeners know who you are and what you do.
Brenda Noon Schmidt: Awesome. Thanks so much for having me, Christina. I'm so excited for our conversation. It's gonna be fun. So for everybody out there in internet land that's listening my name is Brenda and I am known as the outsourcing mom and the time hacking. Mom and I help entrepreneur families to essentially buy back their life by [00:03:00] implementing household outsourcing.
I love helping entrepreneur families to really grow their businesses by handing off a lot of the stuff in their house that they don't even realize how cheap it is to hand it off. And. How vibrationally energetically shifting it is for their household as well. Like so many benefits for their kids and everything like that.
And so we'll talk about more of that in a little bit. But my background is that my husband and I, we started dating when we were 20 years old. He started his first business. Right around that time, he was still in college. He started doing freelance websites before there was even Google, before there was even Facebook, like back when people were just putting things on bus benches and phone books.
Like that was one of the objections he would get was like, but I'm already in the phone book. Why do I need a website? And so he's been doing websites from the beginning, which then turned into digital marketing agency. That now runs itself with a team of 20 plus people. He checks in with them quarterly to see how things are going in the business, and he now has a coaching business where he coaches digital marketing agencies from around the world to scale their businesses and eventually step out of them and let them run themselves.
[00:04:00] Also, I. And so I have worked behind the scenes of his businesses for many years and now realizing the need for a lot of families to take the business principles and apply them to the household. Something I nerded out on but didn't realize how much of a nerd I was about this, and realizing other families could use help in this.
I started my business three years ago and it's just been an amazing ride for me to be able to serve families in this way. It's so super eye-opening for a lot of families to even understand what a house manager is, what they can do for you. Like how, how this new way of existing in the world, you know, like everything's so digitally connected, but your VA in the Philippines can't drop off a casserole if you're sick, you know?
And so we need people hands on deck support still in our homes and how to find good quality people that are really aligned with our family values that you feel comfortable with having in your house. So. This is my journey through entrepreneurialship, through this whole thing. And so I just love helping other business owners and business families to buy back their time so that they can go on more epic adventures with their [00:05:00] family and grow their businesses faster and everything.
Everything I figured out in my own house was just so I could go on. Way more adventures with my kids and be a big giant kid myself. And so, so you'll hear like in a lot of the things we'll talk about here, I'm sure there'll be like sprinkled little epic adventure stories along the way. But that's my background, so I'm excited to get rolling.
Christina Kokologiannakis: Yeah, I love that because it's like, it's not something you just said one day, oh, I'm just gonna do it. It's like you had a need. From your own background, your own life. And to be honest, I heard this before somewhere else, someone was like, I have a house manager. And I was like, what? And then when I met you, I was like, okay, so I heard this.
So maybe it's like the universe telling me like, I need this, but I wanna learn about it because I. It's not a common thing. Like people like we think of like the, the ultra elite who are like, oh, they have seven homes all over the place and they travel the world and they have a private jet. Yeah. They have a house manager who takes care of their mail and their taxes and sets up the houses when they come and go.
Like, I get that. I'm like, okay, but that's [00:06:00] not my level. At least not yet. Yeah. So tell me a little bit in the terms of just. An everyday business owner like us, what would a house manager like? First of all, explain what it is, because I don't know if everybody understands what they are and what they do and kind of say what they are, what they do, like what's the whole concept around it?
Brenda Noon Schmidt: A house manager is essentially just cloning yourself in your house, and so having like a wing woman, wing wingman person that can come in and. As you're a fast moving entrepreneur moving forward, and you have the, the wake behind your boat, they're just picking up the scraps and they're the loop closer in your household.
And so entrepreneurs can be very good at opening loops. They're onto the next idea, they're onto the next collaboration. They're moving really quickly, and they're usually very risk tolerant. So they just keep moving really quickly. But they'll start a lot of things, especially in their houses also, and need someone to close those loops.
And sometimes they will butt heads with their spouse because they think their spouse is the person who should be closing that loop. Or maybe they are the loop closer and their spouse is the loop opener, and they're still butting heads because they just feel like they're [00:07:00] constantly having to finish things that their spouse starts.
And so this is really about bringing in the extra hands. To have somebody help do just the regular things around your house and just make you enjoy it more. But then also closing loops on projects. And so, for instance, our house manager in our house, and, and like you said, yes, you, everyone hears this term and they think it's like Mr.
Belvedere in a mansion and like, only certain people can have this. But this is my message and a lot of my content is all around like. Everyday people kind of have these, like somebody in college could hire somebody else to be their house manager. Like entrepreneur families absolutely should not be doing their own laundry or chopping their own onions when they have people to serve and impact to make in the world.
And so you can, anything that you don't like doing, you can hand off to a house manager. But the common things that I have my house manager doing in my house is absolutely all the laundry, because otherwise it turns into a laundry basket, graveyard in my bedroom, the place it's supposed to recharge me.
It's like we all, we all know how it's like we'll put the laundry in the washer and most of the time we remember to switch it over to the dryer without it [00:08:00] getting funky smelling, or we got wash it again. But then it goes in laundry baskets, and then it just goes in laundry baskets until everybody just pulls their stuff out and then it goes about halfway down and then it has to restart the process all over.
So this is absolutely one of the things that I hand off. This is not my job in my house. And, and these are things that sometimes will, people will like kind of butt up a against a belief where they're like, but I'm an adult and these are the adult things I should be doing. It's like, yeah. Also, if you think back to our ancestors, they had more help than we do right now.
Yes. There's nobody doing everything all by themselves. They were in communities where people were in charge of all these things. And so we can absolutely hand off these things because that's what people used to do. And it's only really recently that we all of a sudden like tricked ourselves into thinking that we're in charge of all this, but we're not.
So they're not mom jobs, they're just jobs and anybody can do them. And so it's like handing off that laundry, that's like the number one thing that I hand off, tidying up the house, organizing my kids' rooms you know, like going through their clothes if you're a mom and you know, it's like. The [00:09:00] thing where like the kids outgrow the clothes and then they have to go into a spot until they're hand-me-downs for the next kid and then the new clothes and the this, and it's like this constant process and turnover that's, that's like laundry, but just like a little bit more zoomed out.
Like a little bit less often, but still constantly a process. So that whole process is something that she handles. Organizing my garage, managing my pantry, like throwing out expired. Oh wow. We have her set up on our Instacart family cart. So everybody will put stuff on the site of the fridge, on the list, depending on what store it comes from.
And she goes through once a week and she places all the orders and has them delivered while she's here, so that then she receives them and puts them all away from for us. And so if it's like the bulk things from. Costco that like come in the wrapper of like three jars of spaghetti sauce or whatever, you know?
Yeah. Then she like unwraps them and like puts them nicely in the, the pan. Oh, I love that kind of things. And so she does a lot of packages, like receiving things, shipping things, returning things. I'll have her even do some of the packages for my business when I'm mailing [00:10:00] out books to clients and little notes and things like that.
And so I put her in charge of all these like hands on deck support kind of things. it's like the, the errands that I could be running, right? Like I drop off my kids at school and I could go run a couple quick errands, but is that the best use of my time? No. It's not like I can hop on a podcast like this to share my message with more people while my, house manager spends an hour doing those errands.
And so, and this is where then people are like, oh my gosh, like wait, hold on. This is possible. We can really hand off all this stuff. This must be so expensive. And like that's the next place people go. And this thing that I will tell everybody is if you like, immediately put up the like, I can't afford that, and I'm opting outta the conversation.
Be aware of. That's probably just a limiting belief, and that's the wall you're putting up is the expense factor, because chances are you are spending the money already to solve it in a less efficient way. Like you are probably spending a lot of money on DoorDash or Uber Eats or whatever meal stuff to solve the meal problem when you could have your house manager order the onions, order the [00:11:00] potatoes, chop them up when they arrive, put them in a container so it's ready to just throw it on a skillet or in the oven whenever you're ready to make dinner.
So like that whole process, you could be saving money by having your house manager do it instead of the short term solution that turns into the long-term solution. Same with like. Sometimes we will, we'll enroll our kids in a bunch of activities because we need that time for ourselves. And those activities can be so expensive when if there's a person here that can hang out with your kids while also doing the laundry, while also chopping the onions and like they get free play time.
So it's good for their brains to not be so overscheduled and you're saving all the money of them not running around to all these activities to keep them entertained. So things like that, there's a lot of areas that people are already spending a lot of money to try and solve a problem when this might actually save them money and they don't even realize it.
I call it couch cushion money. It's like, remember when we were kids and it's like, you know, the the ice cream truck goes by and you're like, I don't have a dollar, but I really wanna ice cream 'cause I wanna hang out with my friends [00:12:00] and I wanna like sit on the curb and enjoy it. And, and so you will dig through the couch cushions to find the money because you value that experience.
And so you don't have the money, but you find it because you value what it can buy you. And so the same thing is. If people don't value this in their home or they don't see the value in it, then they won't look for the couch cushion money in their adult life. Yes. To figure out like, oh, am I actually even using Hulu?
I'm not. So that can go towards it. All these little areas. Well,
Christina Kokologiannakis: and and I don't think they understand too. It's like, I know it's the, it's the expense. It's like, okay, you're not eating out. Like I don't eat out a lot. We make food here because three of us are gluten-free. And then my son is gluten-free and dairy free.
And then the other three people, 'cause I have four kids, so the other three people eat regular food. And I'm like. It's so expensive especially living in Silicon Valley. Yeah. Hitting all these restaurants. So we just eat at home. And it's funny 'cause the way it's kind of developed is my husband cooks, I don't cook.
He makes the meals, he'll do it. Mm-hmm. And, and he's kind of tired of it now too. He's like, there's no new fresh things, but. Having [00:13:00] someone help with something like this, like the time that we spend to do the laundry, to clean up, like I have four kids, so like the time I'm like doing everything and moving through the house, it's really easy for me to lose a whole day.
Yeah, just picking up the house, even though my kids are really good and before they go to bed, they have to pick stuff up. But I'll tell you with four kids stuff left all the time or unorganized or there's times I open my pantry. I don't have like a full, full pantry. Like I have like a cabinet style pantry and I open it and always these bags everywhere of stuff and I'm like, I wanna get in there, but then I'll stop and say.
No, because I'm gonna be in there for two hours and I don't only have four hours without my kids. So I only work four hours of dedicated, like thought producing stuff. Right. When I don't have kids around, but then I'm sitting in a house that's relatively honest. Right now I'm moving so it doesn't look as organized.
But normally it's really organized and then you'll open up certain things and it's crazy. Yes. And it drives me nuts 'cause it's like I just wanted crackers and here are 10,000 different bags that my [00:14:00] kids left. With like that much stuff in it, right? Mm-hmm. So I see the value in this. I could see someone coming in and I've been interested in this for a long time, so they can, it sounds like they can do really virtually anything you want them to do around the house with the kids which is really cool.
Do they do anything like mail? Do they do anything? Sure. All. Okay. Yeah, so they, we have ours handle
Brenda Noon Schmidt: our mail where they like throw out all the junk mail and then they put aside, you know, they have it sorted. We have a certain system that we have them follow for like how it gets sorted. Certain things just get filed.
Other things they like put so I can see them. 'cause it's like, for me, I'm like, I just need to see it. And then once I see it, I don't need to do anything else with it. But I just wanna like remember that it came through and process it in my brain. And so we have like a little system where she'll put it out on the counter and she has little post-it notes on it for like.
This one is this, this one is this. And I'm like, cool. Got it. Okay. Now we can throw 'em away. And so I love that we have her processing the mail also. Yeah, and, and like you were saying is like. You have your four hours to work, and if you, [00:15:00] when we get off this podcast and you take a break and you go to get yourself a snack and something to drink, yeah.
And then all of a sudden you're being confronted by all of that, what happens in our brain is then we can have all these wins in business and feel all this momentum. And then the wind gets taken out of our sails every time we go back in our environment. And we're confronted by this and we feel like a failure in our home, even if we're winning in business.
And what it makes us start to feel like is we're losing everywhere, that we're feeling everywhere. And we don't see the winds in our business. We don't see the progress in the milestones just because we feel so underwater in this other area. And so by bringing in that support, it's not just what money it might save you with inefficient solutions or what time it might save you.
But the energy state that it's gonna take you back in. Like you're gonna go from feeling like your environment is constantly dragging you down to being in an environment that supports you and actually makes you feel abundant, which then attracts more abundance into your life. I. So when I get on calls with my clients, the first thing I say is, we're gonna scheme abundance for you.
Like that is what this is all about is [00:16:00] scheming abundance. And so, yeah, I'm like, it's like really? Somebody told me like, you're basically just an abundance coach, like disguised as like a recruiter for house managers, right? And so that's really what it's, it's like teaching people how to receive, because if you can receive more in your home, you can receive more in your business.
Christina Kokologiannakis: And Well, I mean, so it, it, it's one of those like, think about it. Okay. So a lot of the clients I have from my coaching, they work from home. I mean, I am gonna say, I don't think I have anyone I've ever coached who has an office. Mm-hmm. Right? They're entrepreneurs. They work from home, but you're working from home.
That's what I do. Right. Here's the problem. When your house is disorganized, when everything's all over and crazy. You can't focus, like I'm in this move. I have boxes everywhere. Right? The movers literally are coming on Tuesday, so it's like final push. I, it is so hard. I told my husband, I was like, I need a vacation.
He's like, why? I am like, I can't stand my house. Like I need to get out of my house. But the hard thing for me is. I only get four hours. So [00:17:00] if I go to a Starbucks or I go somewhere to sit, I don't get that much done because it's like there's a lot of distractions people around. I still don't like it, so the house still works better, but I don't like it so messy.
So I can see where this really is and the value of it. Okay. So they can come in, they can do a lot of different stuff, so. Do people call themselves house managers? Like if you were to be like, Hey, I wanna hire someone,
how do they start to know if it's right for them? That's the first question.
Brenda Noon Schmidt: Well, if for instance, like if you feel like when your kids get home from school, you don't have the time to even spend with them. If you feel like your weekends are eaten up by your, get caught up list and your projects and, you know, meal planning and all the laundry and getting all the groceries and all these things, like if you're like going into.
Management mode on the weekend instead of spend quality time and go on adventures and go do things you really wanna be doing. You're not spending time with your friends if you're not being able to connect with your spouse, if you're not being able to say yes to [00:18:00] things with your kids. 'cause you constantly feel like, like, well, you know, but then we're not gonna be able to do this other thing to get caught up.
Like if you don't own your time in your off hours, then you absolutely need somebody to help you. And some people are blessed to have relatives nearby. Who can help out and come over. I've, I have friends who, it's like she has her mom who comes over and actually decorates her house for her for the holidays.
Oh, wow. And then after the holiday is over, she like takes everything down and goes and stores it at her house. It's not even on site. Oh my God. And I'm like, can I hire your mom to do my house also, because I'm the outsourcing queen. I'm like, I see the value in that. You know, like, I don't even wanna store the decorations, let alone Oh.
Take the time to put 'em up and put 'em down. But I enjoy them. I enjoy them while they're up it, stuff like that.
Christina Kokologiannakis: It's, yeah. It's funny you say that because I have a friend out here and I haven't done her 'cause she's really expensive, but like she'll come and she decorates your house for Christmas and I'm not joking, like it is gorgeous.
Right. But the thing is, I go, okay, do you bring the stuff. And like you do it. And she's like, no, I will go with you to help you buy it all, but you have to [00:19:00] store it all. You buy it all. You store it all. And I'm like, I have four kids in a 1700 square foot home. Like I have nowhere to store it. Like there's no space at all.
So I was like, oh, okay. I was like, I wish I had someone who brought it all, decorated. It took it away. Like that's literally the life I wanna live in. Now with my new house that we're looking to build, I'll have a lot more space. Right. But even with that, my husband's like, I don't wanna like store so much crap, like, you don't wanna do it.
Mm-hmm. So I love the idea of like, having other people do it. Yeah. So that's cool. Yeah. So I, I think a lot of the listeners don't realize that there's so much opportunity, so they mm-hmm. Would be the right or the ideal person for this, if. They don't have the time. If they're just really looking for, I always say, you should be enjoying life within your journey.
Mm-hmm. So as you're building your empire and as you're going, if you're not enjoying life as you go, then what's the point? Right? Yeah. We're gonna get into our sixties or seventies and just be like tired [00:20:00] and unable to do anything. Like, no, like I wanna enjoy life now. So. It sounds like the house manager really will help that no matter what.
Mm-hmm. And then how would they like start looking into the house manager? Like do they, like what are the kind of some of the steps, because I know for a lot of people, this is super new, so I wanna make sure they understand kind of the process to go through.
Brenda Noon Schmidt: Yeah, and here's what I'll say before I talk about where you can even find somebody and how to even go about it, is the way to think about it is house manager is something that people are starting to perk up their ears a little bit more and more about.
And like, like I mentioned, my husband with his business there was a time early in his web design digital marketing company where like half of his team, they were all these young kids, fresh outta college, and they learned all his systems and learned all his processes, and they were like, Ooh, we could just start our own business doing this same stuff.
So they actually opened a competing business under his own roof. He was paying them as employees, but they were actually selling. Their own stuff for cheaper and then [00:21:00] doing it for those clients. And so it was like this whole coup, so he had to fire when he found out about this. Oh my gosh. He hired half of his company in one fell swoop, and this was like 20 plus years ago.
Yeah. And so back then he really quickly had to pivot and fulfill on all these projects that he had already had under contract. So he hired people offshore. To be able to do this stuff. And this was back when it was like icky and taboo to hire people offshore. Yeah. We now know 20 years later that it blesses their lives.
It blesses our lives. We're like this global economy now where like you can live anywhere in the world and be able to work together on and collaborate on teams, but at the time he would go to his local networking events and talk about how he was hiring this offshore help and he would get so much flack from the local guys being like, how could you, there's people right here in our country that need jobs.
How can you go and hire these? Also, you're paying them pennies. That's terrible. You're being cruel to them. And it's like, yeah, but like the, the lower rate that we pay actually to them huge. They make more than doctors and lawyers in their countries. They do like, it's crazy. Yeah. And so back then he started [00:22:00] using offshore help.
And this has been something that he's used over the years. He's had lots of people here, here, locally in town, and also all over the country. People from other places of the world, but then also lots of the offshore help, like the VAs. And so this was like. Before the word VA offshore, VA was even a term that anybody knew.
And so when he would talk about this, this was like very foreign. Only a few people knew about it. And then it started picking up steam and started picking up steam. And so this is what's happening with house managers right now. Yeah. I used to say in the next five years, you're gonna start hearing everybody having house managers.
I think it's actually gonna be sooner than that. Yeah. I just, because of social media being just like the information age that we're in, that people can talk about this stuff a lot more. And I think it's one of those things where it's like, if I go to like a local coffee shop meetup and I start talking about my house manager, depending on who you're with, then people still are like the judgment you feel in real life.
It's like. You know what? I'll post reels about it all day long because I don't really care what any of those people think. Right. But then it's like when you have the conversations, and so this is where like people will start sharing a lot more about this. Yeah. You're gonna [00:23:00] start hearing like. Alex Hormo and Layla, they're good friends of ours.
My husband has been in masterminds with them, and so they now are actually mentioning about how very early on they got a house manager, like when they first started kind of like building their gym business, right? And so they're starting to make content talking about this. Ravi Ab Valla, like he talks about this, he teaches businesses how to scale, but he has a whole section in his school community.
That's about other areas you can outsource, which is stuff like the home. And so you're gonna start seeing a lot more people talking about house managers. And house managers will eventually be the VA of family life. And so this'll be a thing that, the cool thing is like right now, anybody who like perks up their ears and is like, okay, I'm getting in on this.
You are gonna find a really high quality person at the current rate before it explodes and turns into like this major career path. And that's the other. Piece of the puzzle is, is so cool, is where you find them. It's, it's so diverse because there's a lot of people who are now corporate dropouts after the [00:24:00] pandemic where they're like, okay, you know what?
I already didn't like my job. And then during the pandemic, the requirements that they had of me, like, I'm just over it. And so they spun off and started their own business, or they started dabbling in other things. And so there's people now who have all these amazing skill sets. And so as far as like the really high level house managers.
There's people who have left corporate positions if they're empty nesters, and this is now their like fun, empty nester job that they do. And they bring all of this expertise that they have from this. I love that. I love the corporate position to it. And they just love serving families because their kids are grown.
So then they get to have basically like these pseudo grandkids, but they're not quite old enough to be a grandparent. Yeah. Like they just love serving families in this way. And then the other category is like the fresh outta college kids. Because they're like, cool, I got this degree, but I don't wanna go work in a cubicle and work a meaningless job that I'm gonna get burnout from just to quit three years from now and then have to start all over again.
And so they see entrepreneur families as like, oh my gosh, like I can learn so many skill sets. And it becomes almost like a mentorship. So it's [00:25:00] really cool. So it's almost like they're like apprenticing with the family and then maybe they fly their wings and go and like start their own business, or they go partner with another person in a way bigger way in a company.
But while they're with you, it's so cool because then they learn all these amazing skill sets that they're not gonna get in any other workplace besides working with entrepreneur families. So those are like two of my favorite categories to tap into is like the empty nesters and the fresh outta college kids.
And then depending on where you live, then you just go where they hang out, right? Like, are they on LinkedIn? Are they on care.com? Are they on Facebook? Are they on Instagram? TikTok, like all these places, there's people who are looking for meaningful work like this. And just like you hearing the term house manager as something you might be able to bring in, they're starting to perk up their ears and hear about all these types of fun positions that weren't something that our generation.
Ever knew was even available. Yeah. And so it's like, like I am like, oh my gosh, I would've been an amazing house manager while I was in college. Like, I would've loved this job. [00:26:00] Yes, yes. And so there's people like that right now, that they're also perking up their ears and being like, wait a second. Like I, I was a nanny, or I was a, a personal assistant for my boss at this corporate job, or whatever these things.
And so they're like, I was already doing all that kind of stuff. Yeah, but I wasn't called a house manager, but they were, they were house managers, even if they weren't called that because of the responsibility they were given. Yeah. And so it's finding those unicorns that are out there and then being like, congratulations, you are my house manager now.
So that's kind of like the piece of like where to find them. There's lots of great places that you can tap into really good talent. And I'll also tell you is the more I do recruiting and the more I walk my clients through this process, it is so rewarding just to see like the future is bright.
, There are so many amazing young people right now, like people who are in college fresh outta college, just hearing the way they talk and the way they look at life like they like are so much more mature than I was at that age. And so the future is bright. And so [00:27:00] tapping into these. People they're just gonna be such great role models in your house with your kids.
They're gonna be just beautiful people, wonderful souls to have in your environment, to have alongside you, to help you 'cause they're just such good people.
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Christina Kokologiannakis: That's so cool. Is there training or anything they do to do this or It's like you build the systems as the homeowner and you tell 'em what they want and they just kind of do it.
Brenda Noon Schmidt: Yeah, and like for the families that I work with, there's gonna be different levels of people's ability. Like some people who love co-creating systems are gonna be the people who can take somebody with a lot of potential and co-create with them. And then that's gonna probably be a really long-term relationship.
But then I've also helped where there's the families who are like, I want somebody with a lot of experience where they just drop in and they already know exactly what needs to be done. 'cause I don't have time to like. Co-create any of these systems with them. And, and that's something like, I provide all these SOP templates and all these resources where I am like, here, just like take all this, [00:31:00] give it to your house manager, tell them to follow you around the house for, for like an hour.
And you explain things. They take notes and then give them the Google Doc and tell them to go edit it so it's customized to your house and so love it. Things like that where you can just like take existing systems that already work. You can go on chat GBT also and be like. Okay. Here's all the stuff I want my house manager to do.
Like make me a SOP, make me a list and have it type it out. It'll take a little bit of going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Yeah. But then, you know, these are things that it's once you have the system in place, like you can just draw, it's easy people in. Yeah. And so the, the, the true like key piece though is finding somebody who is aligned.
Like, like yeah. Personality wise. And so there's, because the cool thing about. A house manager is that if you're an adult, you know how to do laundry. And so it's not like you really have to train them how to use a washing machine, because if they're an adult, they know how to use one. And so unlike hiring somebody in your business where sometimes you have to train them up on the systems in a home, yeah.
Everybody already knows how to do house stuff [00:32:00] because they're an adult and they live in a house. And so that's the cool part is like, and also a lot of times they do it better than you. Like they bring a different perspective. You're like, well, it's, I,
Christina Kokologiannakis: I feel like it's, so, I had a, I had a, see, I called her a housekeeper but she was kind of my like do all for a bit.
I had her, but she was really expensive. Like really expensive. And she would do laundry and she would like make the kids' beds and she would organize the drawers. And it was more like cleaning and stuff more than anything. Yeah. But when you get someone really good, they just kind of know what they do.
But then I've also had people in the past where I've tried to have them in a role and if they're not really, like, don't really know the role or can't really do it like. You get in, they try to organize the closets and you're like. What did you do? Like what? Oh yeah, I
Brenda Noon Schmidt: know. It's like my husband was in there.
I'm like, this is no different than hiring my husband.
Christina Kokologiannakis: Was it? That's funny because my husband, the same thing. He puts all the kids in their clothes in the wrong sections and I'm like, okay, that's my 5-year-old and my 8-year-old. I'm like, look, can you see the size of it? And he is like. Well, I thought it was his, and I'm like, oh my gosh.
But, but yes, it's like, yeah, [00:33:00] they're like out of sight, out of mind. And then you go to open the closet and it's
Brenda Noon Schmidt: like,
Christina Kokologiannakis: everything, like, well, I pull, what happens is I'll pull, 'cause I, I try to have my five-year-old get himself dressed right. And so sometimes I'll pull stuff out and I'll take it out of his, and I put it on the bed in the morning and I don't think about it.
And he is getting dressed and he comes, he is like, mommy, I think it's too big. And it's really for my 9-year-old and it's like this huge shirt. And I'm like. Hold on, I'm coming back. You know, it, it's, it's complicated, but I love, I love all of that. So in your experience then, like, here's a good question, right?
What's the ROI right? Personally and financially when you find that right manager, right? Yeah. What does that like, look like for not just the house, but I, I kind of wanna speak more on that entrepreneur. Like for me, like what is it, could I see as an ROI.
Brenda Noon Schmidt: Yeah, I mean our own journey is my husband starting his own business.
He went from solopreneur to then adding people on his team in his business. And so he went from like this struggling solopreneur to then like consistent six [00:34:00] figures by having the team in place there. But then it was like this plateau and, and it was seriously once we started really rethinking our household help.
'cause we already had a cleaning lady and we'd have a landscaper kind of as needed depending on the season. And then we would have like a date night babysitter like. At Christmas time, we would have a million Christmas parties to go to. So she was at our house like every Friday night. So we had these kind of like little pieces in place where it was like one thing handled here and one thing handled there and one thing handled there.
But like our ability to really scale and grow and take bigger risks was limited by just the weight of all the stuff we were already carrying. And so it truly, for us and our own journey, once we got the help we needed in our house. That's what really propelled us to go from just like a consistent six figure family to then onto eight figures.
And so for us, and it like things like really opportunities just start falling into place really quickly. And it's almost like you put it out in the universe that you're like, I'm finally available for this stuff, and everything starts coming your way. I love that. So the opportunities start coming in, and so.
There was partnership [00:35:00] opportunities with some of my husband's mentors. And so he's, he has been in Russell Brunson's mastermind. Mm-hmm. His inner circle in the ClickFunnels community for a very long time. Yeah. And so, he had the opportunity to do Funnel Hub with Russell and That's cool. All these kind of things.
And so like for anybody who does like funnels out there and, you know, like Funnel Hub stuff, that's my husband. And so all these things kind of started falling into place at that time where we were freed up. And so it was like if he got called up by Russell, like, come up to Boise and work on this and let's record a bunch of videos or content or whatever that we're gonna put in this portal.
He could say yes to it because he knew everything here was fine. Like he didn't have to check with me and be like, okay, blah, blah. What's going on is just gonna, he could just say yes. Like he could just say yes to opportunities really quickly. That's cool. And so that's cool. That really helped our businesses to scale.
And then even in my own business, it's like we got. Our furry first house manager before I even started my own business, I had a, I had like a mom lifestyle blog for a little while and Okay. You know, had some different little things, but whenever I was like, that's it, I'm starting my own business. It was easy and no brainer for me to just know that I was gonna have the [00:36:00] energy and the time to give to it because I wasn't gonna have to do all this other stuff.
And so things just fall in place a lot easier. So, as far as people's ROI, it's. It really is, I think one of the missing pieces that people have. They think that, oh, I need to, you know, do this in my business and this in my business and hire this coach and get an ea and all those things. Well, those all do help, but honestly, you're gonna hit a plateau if you don't hand off this other stuff because it's your life.
It's not just like, yeah, right. Like your time is your time and it's spent in both places. And so I've talked to families where they're like. Oh my gosh. I already have like a team of eight people in my business, but I don't even have a cleaning person. I'm like, you are, wow. So unbalanced,
Christina Kokologiannakis: right? It's like, how do you not have, like I, I talk to a lot of people and I'm like, the cleaning person is like a non-negotiable.
Like, we had to stop bars 'cause we're moving and like, it has been horrible. And my husband's like, oh, we won't need one in a new house. I'm like, I know I'm going from 1700 square feet to 5,000 square feet. I am like, you don't, he always [00:37:00] tells me, I'll clean it for you. Like months go by and I'm like, are are you doing it?
Like, I don't know, are you gonna do this because you're still sitting there? So that, that shocks me. A lot of entrepreneur, really successful women still are cleaning their houses and I'm like, I, I know it can seem expensive. I mean, in Silicon Valley I was paying $225 every two weeks just to have someone clean my home, which is a lot of money in some other places.
I know you can get it for a lot less, but I'm like just having that done. Yeah, I didn't have to worry about it, but it's like they changed the shape. You gotta think about clean. They did
Brenda Noon Schmidt: it. But it's like, you think about like, what is your hourly rate, right? Like if you get on a one-on-one call with a client, what are they paying you?
And so how many more one-on-one clients could you take on? Or networking if a networking opportunity gets taken away from you. The ability to plant all those seeds that you're gonna harvest a year from now, two years from now, whatever that is, all that revenue that could come in from those relationships.
And so all the time you're spending. If you really think about [00:38:00] how much it's bringing in revenue for your business and how much more revenue you could bring in by getting more of those hours, and again, like the bandwidth bleed is so real because you'll be like, okay, like. Cool. I'm in this conversation with this person and they're like, ready to move, but like, can I even serve them?
I don't know. Yes. And so you energetically will not be as available to them, and then they maybe don't close because you're worried that you can't actually serve them the way you want to because you're getting pulled every direction in your home.
Christina Kokologiannakis: It's funny you say that. So I have a startup I've been consulting with and I don't know if it's gonna happen.
The, the founders kind of came to me and they were like. We're wondering, do you kind of wanna run the business? And I literally was like, and my brain was like, yes. And I took a pause and I was like. Maybe. And they're like, maybe, and I'm like, I know I can be successful with it. I know I could do it, but I'm thinking in my brain, I'm like, I already run two businesses.
I have four children. I have the house, I have everything else that I'm doing. All their sports, all their everything. [00:39:00] And I just, my brain almost went to that fear of like, you're gonna die. Like can you do this? And so I think for us, it's like if I had somebody who is managing, like for me it's like the mail piles up.
Like I'm really good with laundry 'cause I'm a little. Anal about it. Like I won't run a load unless I know, like I have loads running now, but I know by the time we're done with everything, I can take one out, put one in. It's kind of like my little break, but I have, you know, the shopping, the food, the pantries, organizing, cleaning, all this stuff that kind of gets like crazy.
And so I love this idea of just if I had a person. Who I know was on it, and I didn't have to sit here saying, oh, can you please clean this? Oh, can you please clean that? Mm-hmm. They just know what they're doing and my mail gets organized. Oh my God. If the mail got organized, that'd be amazing. Like that's like a big one.
Yeah. But like the mail being organized, like things picking up, I have a landscape or all that stuff. I don't need any of that, but it's like. Just coming throughout the house to do certain things. I think that are big ones would give [00:40:00] me time to really excel my business and have more opportunities where like when they come to me and they say, yeah, we really want you to do this.
I can say, good, I got you. It's gonna be done. Right? Mm-hmm. Because they're gonna still run the back price tag or whatever, right? Yeah. Well, well, right. Like it's like I kind of want like a big chunk of the company. Right, exactly. So I'm like, if I'm gonna do this, like I wanna take it. So I, I think that's super, super cool.
So going into, 'cause we're, we're kind of gonna wrap this up, but I know a lot of listeners are like, okay, this is cool. I think I want one, like couple things. One, I wanna touch on price a little bit, but I think what we'll do is, we'll, we'll go on price a little bit, but we'll can talk in the YouTube. So if you're listening to this, make sure you jump over to YouTube and watch us on YouTube.
Completely different conversation. It'll be a cool one, but let's. Talk about price a little bit, like how we can find them price point-wise and stuff like that. And then what would be like someone's next step to working with you and really getting this figured out.
Brenda Noon Schmidt: Yeah. And, and the [00:41:00] last little piece of the equation, I was like, we were talking about the alignment with people.
Something that I will tell people, one of the most important things is when you go out and you find somebody, you absolutely have to know what your family values are. What's your family mission statement like, no one's ever written that, but like, take the time to think about these things because then when you go to look for somebody, you wanna, you wanna know who you are as a family so that you attract somebody who also speaks that language.
Like if going to church every Sunday is really important to you. State that in your ad, because then it'll repel people who that's not a major part of their life. And so you can't necessarily say, I need somebody who like blah, blah, blah, blah. Right? But you can say, this is who we are. I. And then that attracts them.
And so I tell people it's like, in Mary Poppins, the original Mary Poppins, where Oh yeah, yeah. It's like the, the ad that the banks children wrote for Mary Poppins versus what Mr. Banks wrote. His was just like a list of all the things she would do, whereas the banks children wrote who she was and how it would make them feel.
And so that's how we wanna write our ads. And so you can include a little bit of information around like. Needing help with laundry and [00:42:00] mail and organization, blah, blah, blah. And like ever changing areas, but mostly make it about the type of person you're looking for. Proactive prob, proactive problem solver ambitious, entrepreneurial minded you know, like we're a fast moving person, so we need somebody to ground us, things like that.
So you have to put almost like. The terminology, like you have to make a sales page for your family to advertise who you are so that then it attracts just like, you know how we do with our clients, we make the sales page to say this is who we are and who we help. And it's the same thing with our families.
We need to say, this is what our family's all about, so we need somebody to join our team who gets this and who's gonna be part of our family, essentially. And so that's like a really key piece. And so you can go and be like, oh, I know this person that somebody referred. You know, they're close by and they're available.
It's like the difference between the, like posting the ad on the Circle K window, they like need a night person. It's like help want it apply within, and anybody who's available for that night shift is like, cool. You'll do. Like, come on over. Yeah. Whereas like Google, the company, apple, the company, they have this whole process, [00:43:00] this whole interview process, culture fit to make sure it's a good culture fit for your family.
For this role, you have to make sure you're following the, like Google the company process for interviews. For the application process, really understand what that person's all about, what their goals are, what their values are, so then you have that aligned fit and then you can have a long-term relationship to build with them.
And so yeah, it's the, oh, you said we're talking nitty gritty nuts. Yeah, but actually I have a question about another question. Yeah. Yeah.
Christina Kokologiannakis: I have another, well, I have a, I have a side question 'cause you brought something up. I wanna ask real quick first before we get to pricing, but do, does your house manager only, okay, so I guess this is the big question.
Do they only work for you? Or do they work for a lot of people at one time? Like how does that work? Is it like they come hourly, like how many hours they work? Is there a set thing or is it whatever? Kinda like a va, you do whatever you want.
Brenda Noon Schmidt: Right? That's a great question. And yes, it is customizable to the family and so I know families who needed, I.
Somebody that was pretty much a part or a full-time person, because they have multiple residences, like you're saying, they don't [00:44:00] have seven, but they did have multiple residences, and so they were gonna need this person to do a lot of jobs. And, and a way to think about it also is like, if you're having them run errands for you, they can't also be chopping onions, right?
If they're off site doing other stuff for you, they can't also be doing the in-house stuff, so that's gonna add more hours. Yeah. So getting clear on what it is that you want them to do. Same with laundry, right? And so it's like. Laundry is something that even though you're like, I, this is gonna be done by the time I'm done.
Right? Well, it's like, but if you could go into Flow State for those four hours Oh yeah. And not even come up for air. It's like you get done a week's worth of work. Oh yes. In one day. And so if you didn't have to pop up to turn over your laundry, how valuable would that be to go into Flow State for four hours straight and just crank out good work?
Right. And so maybe it feels like, well, I'm really good at it and I enjoy it. 'cause we trick ourselves into like, I don't wanna do it. I'm like, I do it nicely. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like I used to trick myself into being like, but I like laundry. It's like meditation for me. Yeah. I watch Mrs. Maisel while I fold it and you know, but then it's like, no, I'm tricking myself into doing this because I have to do it.[00:45:00]
But really, I would much rather go kayaking with my kids at the lake. Like that would really be what I wanna do instead of watch Mrs. Maisel while fold laundry. And so, yes. So yeah. So it's like, and, and as far as the, the hours, I would say 10 hours, people think that they need them, like this full-time job.
You don't. If you have multiple residences, if you have a lot that they're managing like a total estate manager where it's like they're managing properties, they're managing other staff, all these kind of things. Yeah. Yes. You'll need 'em for more hours and you're gonna take basically all their time. If it's like you and me, where we're just an entrepreneur family that needs like some little odds and ends that we don't wanna do.
You can start with 10 hours a week and you can find somebody like a, like a high level nanny level. Pay in your area. So depending on where you live California is like its own category, but like here in Arizona, I could pay somebody $25 an hour and for 10 hours a week, I would feel a lot of relief. I would feel
relief in my home, I would feel rested and recharged. You get to hang with your kids by the pool [00:46:00] after school instead of prepping dinner. Yeah, you get to go do fun stuff on Saturday instead of catching up on laundry. And so 10 hours. And so if it's $25 an hour, 250 bucks a week.
So what are you already spending two 50 bucks on to try and solve your problems? Like , for me, I would go to Target and I would go. Shop in all the Joanna Gaines organizational stuff. 'cause I'm like, my problem is I just need more cute baskets to store everything. Right? But no, the two $50 you're spending on shopping to try and calm your mind, you can actually give to a person who creates the system that's sustainable.
So you don't need to do that thing, to like escape your situation. And so depending on where you live, could be $25, $30. If you're gonna have a more high level person with a lot more experience, I was gonna say it would be like 40, $45. You know, kind of like personal assistant , quality person.
You can have 'em do a hybrid of roles too, where they're doing home stuff and business stuff. If you work from home I tell everybody, check with your tax professional, check with your legal professionals to find out how you get to work that into all the ways that you file things and the way you do things.
And it's different for every state and different for every business, but there's ways that [00:47:00] families I've worked with. Have been able to weave things together to make it as advantageous as possible for them. But yeah, so it's like you have to pay $10 an hour or, or 10, 10 hours a week.
Yeah, I will say multiple touches is better. Just like when a cleaning person comes, it's like amazing that day. Yeah. And then like half of the next day and then it gets completely disassembled and then it's gone. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And so the more touches the better. And so, so like we, ours comes for 15 hours a week and she comes Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
And she's here for five hours each time. And then I have her actually do a little bit of overlap. I have her here while the kids are at school and then like for one hour after the kids are home. 'cause she actually helps with that chaotic transition of everybody coming home and being hungry and like.
Blah. Yes. Like the meltdown, a clock time, right? So I have her here for the most chaotic time to help me make snacks, pick up their backpack as soon as it falls on the floor, like they come home and they just like drop everything. And so she goes around, picks everything up, puts it back in place so 15 hours a week, you're gonna feel like you walk into a hotel [00:48:00] lobby in your living room whenever you get off work. Yeah. It just is so comforting and, and it's like, man, like to be able to live like that, it just feels so abundant and you don't realize like. Hmm. Yeah, actually I think I am already spending more money than that.
Like on all these other ways. Or maybe you're not spending the money on those other things, but it's not as much of a stretch as you thought and you're like, okay, but then if I got that time back, now I can go sell five more clients and that more than pays for it. And then that's more fulfilling work.
Yeah. And I really enjoy it. Instead of all these other little jobs I don't enjoy, I am actually resentful about, and I fight with my husband about like. So that's where it's like once you know the, the target, you're like, okay, yeah, that's totally doable. Like what can I put in place to make that happen sooner?
Christina Kokologiannakis: No, I love that. Okay, so tell everybody now how they can, well, I wanna hear a little bit more about your programs and what you do. So, 'cause it sounds. Like, it's more of kind of the coaching, the helping of it, but tell everybody what it is you do and how you can help them.
Brenda Noon Schmidt: Yeah, so I have a few different ways that people work with [00:49:00] me.
There's the people who are like, I don't even have time to find somebody, but I absolutely need somebody. They usually have a cleaning person, a landscaper, all these things in place, but they're like, oh wait, house manager, why don't I already have that? And so, they're like, will you just find me somebody?
So I do white glove recruitment, that's like my high level service that I offer. And I actually go through, I interview and screen and. Do background checks and veto and color references and all this whole process that is kind of time consuming upfront. And just say, okay, here you go. Here's one or two candidates, or three, you know, however many I think are a good fit.
Here's these candidates. Now you can hop on a call with them and see what the vibe is, see how you like them. And then whichever one you wanna move forward with, I'll actually go through and do preliminary virtual training and create all the custom household SOPs for that family. So then I just hand those SOPs to that new house manager, and then they onboard them and they do a trial with them.
And then after that trial period, then they are like, cool, this is amazing. Let's go. And so that's one of the levels that I can help people if they're just like, I would rather pay you because I don't even have the time [00:50:00] to deal with this right now. I can do that for people. And so that's my done for you white glove service.
And then one of my favorite ways to help people is my done with you service. And this is really empowering them to be able to go through this process themselves. And I'm like right there telling them like, here's the interview questions to ask. They send me screenshots and I'm like, okay, ask 'em this.
Okay. Like, oh, this is a red flag. You know, I wouldn't move forward with that person. That's a green light. Like that's great that they have that type of experience that's gonna help with this thing you said you needed. And so it's this back and forth done with you service. And the cool part about that is it empowers them to then be able to do that any other time.
If they're hiring team members in their business. If they're hiring for other roles in their house, like maybe they wanna add a personal chef, eventually other roles that they're doing, it empowers them to go through this process and feel really confident that they can find really good quality people themselves.
And so. And the time aspect, it's like 30 days like I have, I like take 'em through a 30 day process. The majority of my clients find somebody sooner than that 30 days. I had a couple people who got a house [00:51:00] manager and an EA for their business in just two and a half. Oh, wow. One of 'em was two and a half weeks.
One of 'em was three weeks, so they were already onboarding people and doing a trial before that month was even up and starting to hand stuff off in both areas. And so. I love taking people through that program. And then what I also now have is a membership available for people who are like, I'm not ready for house manager yet, but I do wanna help.
Like, I wanna create those SOPs so that the people who are already in my house mm-hmm. Know what to do. And so it's like all those templates that I give to people. And so having all those templates is a lot of help in the systems aspect of it to just get things organized. Another thing I take people through is like that whole exercise of creating your family mission statement.
And then once you buy back your time, like, okay, how do you do time blocks? How do you hack your time? Like here's all the little tools and tricks that you can use so you can really multiply those hours that you do have to make them as efficient as possible so that in the evenings you actually get to spend with your family.
The weekends you get to spend with your family, you're not coming back and doing more work, even though you're not doing laundry. You don't wanna like come back and keep like [00:52:00] hammering away on your computer, right? Yeah. And so instead of doing. Work in pockets of time when you wanna be spending with your family, you're actually spending time with your family.
And so the time hacking part is another part that I absolutely love taking people through, even if they're not ready for a house manager yet. That's like my jam.
Christina Kokologiannakis: But I feel like everybody can be, I feel like every, like everything we discussed here, any entrepreneur who is making some money, I think it would be worth it because if you aren't committed, see, 'cause my.
I thought was, oh, I have to do, it's like when we first started talking, it was like, I thought it was like at least a hundred thousand dollars a minimum to have the, I'm like, I'm not there yet. Like I don't wanna commit to that kind of money yet. And then to here it's like, oh, it's like $25. I mean, California probably be a lot more, but like even if you just said, okay, it's $25, I'm like, wow.
And I maybe only 15 hours. That's cool. Even if I just got someone for, you know, maybe 10 hours. Yeah. Like, how cool would that be? Like, I, I think so for my [00:53:00] listeners, it's like if you are just really struggling with just the basic stuff and you need more time, we only have, especially the moms, we only have so much time without the kids that like, I like my four hours to be in flow.
Like I was just, I had someone else on my podcast earlier so that it'll air in a little bit, but like she was talking about. Right. Taking care of yourself and and finding time for yourself. And you should enjoy eating and it's good for your body. And I'm like, I eat my lunch like this. So like I got four hours.
How fast? Yeah. You're maximizing it. Yeah. Yeah, I am. I'm like, I don't wanna do dishes. I don't wanna do, like I try not to do anything. 'cause once the kids are home, I have four kids. It is crazy. Yep. That okay, I can do dishes while they're screaming and hollering and whatever. 'cause I don't have to really think, but I feel like everybody listening is like.
If you are really struggling with these things or you're homeschooling or whatever. 'cause I have a lot of my clients will homeschool too. Yeah. So it's like, if you're doing this stuff, could you imagine just having someone come three days a [00:54:00] week for a couple hours even just to do some basic stuff. Like in my mind I'm like, it's so well worth it.
Yeah. It really is.
Brenda Noon Schmidt: I homeschool my youngest, he's six. Okay. And so my house manager on the days that she's here. She just plays games with him and she actually studied theater. So she does like little theater stuff with him in the backyard. And so she can take some of her skill sets that she has from previous experience and she can offer that to him that I don't even have that experience.
I'm homeschooling, but I also, which is like a whole nother thing that then everybody's like, okay, wait. You gotta share how you're outsourcing your homeschooling. Like, we need to know about this because like, the reasons why we chose to homeschool wasn't just because I wanna be their, the teacher. I just, yeah.
I didn't like the situation he was in, and I wanna change that, but I can use other things to drop in place. And so using outsourcing in all these ways, we're tapping into people's strengths. I use a lot of strength finding assessments. Also the same ones people use in business. Yeah, I use a lot of those, like the Kolby a index assessment, which is all about business, but I use that for [00:55:00] house managers.
Whenever I'm recruiting house managers. When I'm walking people through the process, then like that's a really good one. 'cause it tells you who, like usually entrepreneurs are loop openers. Yeah. And so you wanna find a loop closer for yourself or even and then you can take both resort results like your results and your potential house manager candidate and, and put 'em in chat.
GBT. And be like, tell us where we're gonna work well together and tell us where there might be hangups and it'll tell you how to best communicate with them and like things to be on the lookout for. And so all that kind of stuff, it's like, cool, now I know how to use my team member in the best way possible.
Like knowing their love languages, knowing their communication styles. Yeah. All those kinda things.
Christina Kokologiannakis: I love that. It's like, to me it's like. I love that you have so many different categories for how people can work with you. Because some people, like you said, they like to do it on their own. Some people like me where I'm like, I will pay for someone to just do it for me.
Like I'm all about, you know how to do it. You find me the best person, get 'em in my home and let's go. Right? So I love that. So. As we're wrapping up [00:56:00] this podcast episode, why don't you tell everyone how they can find you and connect with you?
Brenda Noon Schmidt: Yeah, I am on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, all those socials as Kick Ass Modern Mom, and on, there's also a Facebook business page under that as well.
And then on Facebook, I'm Brenda Noon Schmidt as my personal profile. So. I also have a podcast under the same name, kick Ass Mother Mom podcast. And so Kick Ass Mother, mom Everywhere is where you can find me. Yeah, Instagram is where I hang out the most because that's where all the mom printers are also hanging out.
And I love all my internet pen pals over there. And if you don't already follow me yet, you'll learn that I just love posting corny dad jokes in my stories. And so if you come across one, send it to me, please. They're my favorite.
Christina Kokologiannakis: Love that Emma. Put all that in the show notes as well so everyone can find you.
Thank you so much, Brenda, for coming on. It was such a pleasure. And. Again, for all my listeners, make sure you catch us on YouTube as well. We're gonna have a completely different [00:57:00] conversation. Thank you everyone for joining me today. I will see you on the next episode.
